[SPEAKER_00]: i got i got the video running so you what was what was going and i'll edit it but tell me about the tires tell me again please so i mean that's so far i mean the car obviously handles well the balance is great we're doing good things but one of the biggest eye openers is the fact that
[SPEAKER_02]: Two of the tires that I currently still have mounted and in rotation, they did all of Koda, all of Gingerman, a test day, and a handful of sessions at this last event at Autobahn, and they're still fine.
And for five years, I've dealt with cording tires almost instantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: One or two sessions, I'd see the impressions, and by a third session, it's like, I don't think I can do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you try to catch them after two sessions and flip them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't have a tire machine in the track.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's one of the best things is knowing that I can beat on the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can slide it around and I'm coming in and the tires look great.
I'm wearing the tires evenly across.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the center, you know, the wear holes are wearing in conjunction with the intermittent rectangles on the Hoosiers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't had that in a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the biggest...
[SPEAKER_02]: I told you a long time ago, I don't look at the expense of the suspension as being too expensive or whatnot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an investment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I have invested in the suspension, I'm going to get back after three sets of tires.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: That might even be the sound...
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: For $1,400, your set of tires, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you add it up, and that's the damper you develop and rebuild for a stage three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, 33 is for the full setup, but yeah, I mean, but you said three sets, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one set is... Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what setup were you running before?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to say it, I mean, it's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, like I told you before, I started with the MCS two ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at first they seemed to be okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: As I went in for a rebuild and then the upgrade to three ways, I just, something happened somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: That just wasn't right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's really.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was going to say, I don't know if it happened in like the deconstruction process where they go to rebuild it and they just note all the settings and maybe there was a human error there and then they just rebuilt it to this weird over 125 pounds of gas pressure setting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gas force, but yes, the gas force.
[SPEAKER_02]: Force, yeah, gas force.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, you know, I spent, and I was talking with Luke about it, you know, I spent five years, like, I start to doubt you doubt yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I always felt like if I had the tools, I could do something good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now, yeah, man, the car's been great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just really stoked.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so in terms of the tire...
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to finish up this comment, and then I'll stop the video.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the change in the tire life, can you say what factor in terms of where?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it like 5x, 4x?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much better life are you getting?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it just like 100x?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude, I mean, it's not even... Before, I would have never...
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been wheel-to-wheel since 2011 with this BMW since 2013.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have never...
[SPEAKER_02]: Considered buying a set of stickers and run them at an event that wasn't Nationals in at Nationals.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was pure on It was like sacrifice for the chance to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know these tires won't last more than a race the I don't hear putting them on because we want the national championship, but I would never do it at a regional level because it just I would they would destroy not after a week at a weekend tops and
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's doing like, you know, front to back, side to side after every single session.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's lots of shenanigans, lots of swapping around and all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're getting, what, three weekends or two plus, two and a half?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the tires that have been in the circulation the longest, mind you, they did start out on the MCSs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, right now is going to be the tail.
I mean, I've got two tires that I started at Gingerman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used...
Part of this weekend, I'm thinking I could probably get two to three weekends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Holy cow.
[SPEAKER_00]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Holy cow.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the rubber, I don't think, what I think is going to happen is I'm not going to cord them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just going to cycle out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see it already.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see the way that it's evenly wearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to cycle the tires out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're not going to self-destruct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, which is what they were doing before.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were cording, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'd have about, I'd have a hard, it was odd looking.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a straight up 45 degree angle on the front tire.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's at negative four and a half degrees of camber.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it didn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we threw as much camber as we could.
It found its way and it rode on that edge.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now, in this last race, for our conversation, because I was scared, I started out with negative 4.5.
[SPEAKER_02]: I pulled the camber back to just negative 4.
[SPEAKER_02]: We went to like negative 2.75 in the rear.
[SPEAKER_02]: No weird issues at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: The car drives great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to stop this video, but I mean, especially when you talked about the tire...
[SPEAKER_00]: The change in that, I mean, that says, I don't want to say everything, but it says a hell of a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then your lap times tell the rest of the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be one thing if I said, hey, shake, these tires last forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm 17 seconds off the pace.
[SPEAKER_02]: But to be like, hey, shake, these tires last forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: We set the fastest lap.
[SPEAKER_02]: It even says in the video live stream, Ryan Upham just went fastest ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: of the almost fastest time of the weekend on what should be like a molten lava track.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's, it's very similar to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're in the live stream, they're like, we can't believe that this is happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: That, mind blown, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I'm telling you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, the proof of what's happening is it's not just seen by me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you already got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Miatas, mind you, in the Miata world, I know that you've been around for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in this series, the winning formula, the guys in Ohio, they're the ones that everyone's turning to for the K-swaps and doing all the suspension setup.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody's blindly buying their revalved, and I'm doing air quotes, DFVs.
You know, I had them once before they felt okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't feel as good as these So you've got someone and they've been winning so it would have been easy for Luke To just say hey, give me the get me these for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has them actually He did he told me he has them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just going to turn around and sell them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he's looking at the two different options, and I think he's a bit more impressed with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: So...
[SPEAKER_00]: The proof's in the pudding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I told him, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, you know, I...
[SPEAKER_02]: Because him and I, I think, are similar in a rational approach and a little bit of a skeptic approach, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I told him the conversations we had about the rebuild life and the longevity of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not something that only lasts a handful of races that you're worried about.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to have it rebuilt.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, God bless Bilstein, honestly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have this amazing, durable technology, for the most part, especially when you don't make the dampers work properly.
[SPEAKER_00]: so crazy hard then all the seals the just everything is moving more smoothly you're not stressing the component i mean the tires are telling you that the before the suspension was was punishing the tires and you and your lap times and now it's more fluid it's supple it's like you're like this is like race synergy being proven going from
[SPEAKER_00]: chaos, you know, like track chaos to race synergy, you know, with ride harmony as the foundation, you know, and like you found, you can actually dial the camera back.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were, you were using a little bit less roll stiffness than you had before and it's working all better and your lap times are up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is like the best of everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, oh yeah, no, the car's been great.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only, the only, and like we said earlier too, I have no problem setting up in the future some sort of like retainer thing, like text line retainer, just because, you know, you are helping me out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it is an easy question.
[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes it's even just as easy as like, hey, shake.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting inside my own head.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I should do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's why.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's always the why.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I appreciate that, Ryan.
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, I mean, I'm going to make that an offering on my website too.
[SPEAKER_00]: If people even don't have my setups, but if I have some idea what they're doing, especially if they are my customers and
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll know what your setup is and I can make recommendations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's, I'm, I'm excited to do that because honestly it gives me another income stream and also a way to keep you guys taken care of, you know, and you know that you have access to me within usually an hour, if not, you know, less sometimes, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and that's...
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and then also if you schedule it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we schedule it, you kind of know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like...
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you didn't know I wasn't racing this weekend and I hit you up and you're, you know, you're taking a maybe...
[SPEAKER_02]: Vacation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just not going to do anything today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to enjoy myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you know, like, hey, and maybe...
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, definitely scheduling it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I mean, honestly, scheduling is fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if it's like a post track day, like, hey, I'm gonna be done with the track at six o'clock back at the hotel or having finishing dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's plan a talk, you know, central time, six o'clock, something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in general, just like knowing that you can contact me when it's going on, because then I'm at least symbolically in the heat of the action with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love to be able to give you that immediate, like you did last weekend, you know, and the weekend before.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because then I'm, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing, too, is you build a rapport with those people, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
Because that's how I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like to deal with people that I would consider friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to ever be like, oh, fuck, man, this car's not turning.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to call Shane.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it gets to the point where it's like you build up that rapport, or it might not even be like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you're about to race.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be watching on Race Hero.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get out there, kick some ass, bud.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a support stream, not only for a financial stream for you, but just like support.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, hey, I want my buddy to do good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's why.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's it, like you said.
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, so the video you mentioned, can you email me any links?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they have post-race?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it still captured?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have in-car I can use some of for this video?
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have any in-car because my camera is horrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to bite the bullet and buy this stupid Smarty Cam that everyone else has.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's got the automatic data overlay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sexy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is neat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's neat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of money for, I think, only like 720p as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone else has it, so I'm going to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: My wife was making fun of me because my GoPro sucks and I had some other junky camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, you look ghetto right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you go get this nice camera?
I'm like, fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a nice wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your wife is nice about that.
Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, is there anything I can add as, like, background for this video?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to maybe put the whole thing up, but maybe I could.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I could do is I will find...
[SPEAKER_02]: It's on their Facebook.
Okay.
It's on their Facebook page.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Great Life's Going Live and so-and-so and GLTC Race 3 and 4.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can get that information.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a bunch of people out there because it's...
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're supposed to have their 100% live stream back up again where it's like multiple camera angles.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a professional.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the whole grid life kind of idea is that they're bringing professional coverage to grassroots racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to spend $30,000 a person to have this experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're spending $500 to enter the track, and here you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, Luke mentioned Mid-Ohio as his next race, I guess July 31st through August 2nd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's going to get set up to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got some Billsign PSS 10s.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take out the shaft, put in the non-adjustable shaft, and maybe I'll even get it done in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have some other builds I need to work on, which I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I can do that for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then if you're there, then you can be running against him and having a great time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because he's still doing the no-aero route, so we're building their different cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the neat thing, too, is the series is you have a little bit of an open book as to how you build the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, of course, he's so much lighter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, man, I'm really excited about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will try to text you those links.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds great.
[SPEAKER_02]: To the Facebook page and you can watch it because it's, you know, I go back and watch them after the fact because it's just fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm stoked.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Ryan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I will look forward to talking to you soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: No problem, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk to you soon then, all right?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take care, brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, later, bud.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.